Comments on: OMG! And we voted these people in??? http://www.polimom.com/2009/03/23/omg-and-we-voted-these-people-in/ I used to be in the middle, but they keep moving the line! Thu, 18 Mar 2010 17:18:18 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.0.5 by: Ed T. http://www.polimom.com/2009/03/23/omg-and-we-voted-these-people-in/#comment-154502 Sat, 28 Mar 2009 15:27:24 +0000 http://www.polimom.com/2009/03/23/omg-and-we-voted-these-people-in/#comment-154502 Maybe mixed - but I don't think ID/Creationism advocates will really claim this as a victory. ~EdT. Maybe mixed - but I don’t think ID/Creationism advocates will really claim this as a victory.

~EdT.

]]> by: Polimom http://www.polimom.com/2009/03/23/omg-and-we-voted-these-people-in/#comment-154493 Sat, 28 Mar 2009 11:44:05 +0000 http://www.polimom.com/2009/03/23/omg-and-we-voted-these-people-in/#comment-154493 Hmmm..... this seems to be a mixed outcome. <a href="http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/metropolitan/6346503.html" rel="nofollow">Link</a> Hmmm….. this seems to be a mixed outcome.

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]]> by: Ed T. http://www.polimom.com/2009/03/23/omg-and-we-voted-these-people-in/#comment-154476 Fri, 27 Mar 2009 20:37:35 +0000 http://www.polimom.com/2009/03/23/omg-and-we-voted-these-people-in/#comment-154476 My understanding that this "raise doubts about the 'theory' of "Darwinism" is the latest way to try to sneak ID/Creationism in through the back door. From what I remember, they are counting on people mis-understanding the relationship between "theories" and "facts" as they relate to science (in that "facts" are evidence, used to bolster or disprove "theories", and "theories" are themselves never elevated to the rank of "facts" - quite different than most lay people tend to think.) OTOH, what I would <strong>really </strong>like to see them teach in science class is the scientific method, instead of having the kids memorize a bunch of <em>scientific trivia </em>for regurgitation on the next TAKS. Any chance of that ever happening? I suspect not :( ~EdT. My understanding that this “raise doubts about the ‘theory’ of “Darwinism” is the latest way to try to sneak ID/Creationism in through the back door. From what I remember, they are counting on people mis-understanding the relationship between “theories” and “facts” as they relate to science (in that “facts” are evidence, used to bolster or disprove “theories”, and “theories” are themselves never elevated to the rank of “facts” - quite different than most lay people tend to think.)

OTOH, what I would really like to see them teach in science class is the scientific method, instead of having the kids memorize a bunch of scientific trivia for regurgitation on the next TAKS. Any chance of that ever happening?

I suspect not :(

~EdT.

]]> by: The Master http://www.polimom.com/2009/03/23/omg-and-we-voted-these-people-in/#comment-154140 Tue, 24 Mar 2009 23:11:03 +0000 http://www.polimom.com/2009/03/23/omg-and-we-voted-these-people-in/#comment-154140 Polimom, Black Shards is doing a strange thing here. He apparently had a theme he wanted to rant on, i.e. that "Darwinists" are trying to stifle all criticism of evolution and squelch all competing theories. He went looking for someone of this militaristic mindset to link, but the closest he could find was you. Even so, he had to quote you out of context to make it work. The paragraph he quoted looks much more militant without the context of the paragraph (two paragraphs) above it. <blockquote> Somebody wanna explain how we managed to elect someone who home schools her children because she doesn’t believe in public education??? And who thinks government needs a Biblical litmus test? </blockquote> A reasonable reader would infer that you were objecting to the substitution of bible reading and bible derived dogmas (sorry, can't bring myself to call them 'theories') for actual teaching of science, and not declaring your intent to 'defend Darwin's theory to the death'. The Master concludes that either 1) BS is creating a strawman in order to knock it down, i.e. there aren't any "Darwinists" ranting the way he intends to decry, or 2) BS is just lazy today, and couldn't be bothered to find one that actually believes what he would like his readers to think "Darwinists" believe. The Master is betting on #2. How sad. How sloppy. Polimom,

Black Shards is doing a strange thing here. He apparently had a theme he wanted to rant on, i.e. that “Darwinists” are trying to stifle all criticism of evolution and squelch all competing theories. He went looking for someone of this militaristic mindset to link, but the closest he could find was you. Even so, he had to quote you out of context to make it work. The paragraph he quoted looks much more militant without the context of the paragraph (two paragraphs) above it.

Somebody wanna explain how we managed to elect someone who home schools her children because she doesn’t believe in public education??? And who thinks government needs a Biblical litmus test?

A reasonable reader would infer that you were objecting to the substitution of bible reading and bible derived dogmas (sorry, can’t bring myself to call them ‘theories’) for actual teaching of science, and not declaring your intent to ‘defend Darwin’s theory to the death’.

The Master concludes that either 1) BS is creating a strawman in order to knock it down, i.e. there aren’t any “Darwinists” ranting the way he intends to decry, or 2) BS is just lazy today, and couldn’t be bothered to find one that actually believes what he would like his readers to think “Darwinists” believe.

The Master is betting on #2.

How sad. How sloppy.

]]> by: Polimom http://www.polimom.com/2009/03/23/omg-and-we-voted-these-people-in/#comment-154137 Tue, 24 Mar 2009 22:48:50 +0000 http://www.polimom.com/2009/03/23/omg-and-we-voted-these-people-in/#comment-154137 Marc, I'm going to treat your post/pingback as a comment and respond directly. I'm hardly a "Darwinist". As I told someone else today on this very subject., I fully agree that the study of science should explore and test theories, via hypotheses, tests, and vigorous research. What I'm not okay with is disguising religious doctrine as scientific theory.  It bothers me a great deal when proponents of these ideologies wave away any inconvenient findings with mystical answers.  That ain't science.   And it doesn't belong in a science textbook.  It belongs in a theology class. Marc, I’m going to treat your post/pingback as a comment and respond directly.

I’m hardly a “Darwinist”. As I told someone else today on this very subject., I fully agree that the study of science should explore and test theories, via hypotheses, tests, and vigorous research.

What I’m not okay with is disguising religious doctrine as scientific theory.  It bothers me a great deal when proponents of these ideologies wave away any inconvenient findings with mystical answers.  That ain’t science.   And it doesn’t belong in a science textbook.  It belongs in a theology class.

]]> by: Black Shards, In Your Eyes, Blinding » Darwinists Weigh in on Texas Education http://www.polimom.com/2009/03/23/omg-and-we-voted-these-people-in/#comment-154131 Tue, 24 Mar 2009 22:05:06 +0000 http://www.polimom.com/2009/03/23/omg-and-we-voted-these-people-in/#comment-154131 [...] As this debate has clearly shown there are large numbers of those who believe otherwise, including Falkenberg and Houston’s own Polimom, who says: If the SBOE moves any further off the rails, the voting public (like me) will have to stumble out of our group lethargy and push (shove!!) back.   Hard. [...] […] As this debate has clearly shown there are large numbers of those who believe otherwise, including Falkenberg and Houston’s own Polimom, who says: If the SBOE moves any further off the rails, the voting public (like me) will have to stumble out of our group lethargy and push (shove!!) back.   Hard. […]

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