Comments on: Churches, communities, flocks, and sheep http://www.polimom.com/2008/03/15/churches-communities-flocks-and-sheep/ I used to be in the middle, but they keep moving the line! Sun, 12 Oct 2008 05:41:42 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.0.5 by: Pan_theFrog http://www.polimom.com/2008/03/15/churches-communities-flocks-and-sheep/#comment-119102 Mon, 24 Mar 2008 19:38:45 +0000 http://www.polimom.com/2008/03/15/churches-communities-flocks-and-sheep/#comment-119102 A friend of mine's father was always screaming hate messages which she and I disagreed with. I still went over there every day and hung out, was polite to him, and sometimes pointed out the flaws in the logic. Her father also taught me many things, including a lot about politics, and human nature. Did I have to agree with every message he said to go to that house? Or could I just go there to see my friend, and form my own opinion of what the man said? A friend of mine’s father was always screaming hate messages which she and I disagreed with. I still went over there every day and hung out, was polite to him, and sometimes pointed out the flaws in the logic. Her father also taught me many things, including a lot about politics, and human nature.

Did I have to agree with every message he said to go to that house? Or could I just go there to see my friend, and form my own opinion of what the man said?

]]> by: Fred Farkle http://www.polimom.com/2008/03/15/churches-communities-flocks-and-sheep/#comment-118513 Mon, 17 Mar 2008 05:37:09 +0000 http://www.polimom.com/2008/03/15/churches-communities-flocks-and-sheep/#comment-118513 Your 'upstate church' analogy does not apply. If Obama's church had been his only choice in a tiny town in rural Illinois, then MAYBE your argument would hold water. But he had hundreds of choices open to him in Chicago, and yet he stuck with the America-hating black racists for twenty years. Not good enough for an American President. Not by a long shot. Not by a country mile. You are just making a lame excuse for a close association that's indefensible. If the only church in my little town in Georgia, no bigger than yours, was a bunch of KKKers, I would refuse to go there. I would Bible-study at home. If any white candidate associated himself this way with a church of comparable views ...? Hahaha. Instant uproar, and end of story for that candidate. And you know it. Your ‘upstate church’ analogy does not apply.

If Obama’s church had been his only choice in a tiny town in rural Illinois, then MAYBE your argument would hold water. But he had hundreds of choices open to him in Chicago, and yet he stuck with the America-hating black racists for twenty years. Not good enough for an American President. Not by a long shot. Not by a country mile. You are just making a lame excuse for a close association that’s indefensible.

If the only church in my little town in Georgia, no bigger than yours, was a bunch of KKKers, I would refuse to go there. I would Bible-study at home.

If any white candidate associated himself this way with a church of comparable views …? Hahaha. Instant uproar, and end of story for that candidate. And you know it.

]]> by: Polimom http://www.polimom.com/2008/03/15/churches-communities-flocks-and-sheep/#comment-118470 Sun, 16 Mar 2008 12:26:27 +0000 http://www.polimom.com/2008/03/15/churches-communities-flocks-and-sheep/#comment-118470 *snort* bello -- if it's out there, we're definitely going to hear about it -- all of it -- no matter what form "it" takes. *snort*

bello — if it’s out there, we’re definitely going to hear about it — all of it — no matter what form “it” takes.

]]> by: belloscm http://www.polimom.com/2008/03/15/churches-communities-flocks-and-sheep/#comment-118455 Sun, 16 Mar 2008 04:50:15 +0000 http://www.polimom.com/2008/03/15/churches-communities-flocks-and-sheep/#comment-118455 If only Obama had wagged his finger for emphasis, I would have totally believed him. Can't wait for the "blue dress" to show up, er, I mean, videotape of BOH doin' the call and response to some of Pastor Wright's hata-grams. And you know it's coming, don't you? If only Obama had wagged his finger for emphasis, I would have totally believed him.
Can’t wait for the “blue dress” to show up, er, I mean, videotape of BOH doin’ the call and response to some of Pastor Wright’s hata-grams. And you know it’s coming, don’t you?

]]> by: Polimom http://www.polimom.com/2008/03/15/churches-communities-flocks-and-sheep/#comment-118431 Sat, 15 Mar 2008 19:27:27 +0000 http://www.polimom.com/2008/03/15/churches-communities-flocks-and-sheep/#comment-118431 I can't say I disagree with you there at all, CStanley. And I haven't a clue whether there was a reluctance to address specific aspects of Wright's ministry, or if it was a larger campaign strategy. I suspect it could be the latter, though, as easily as the former. I can’t say I disagree with you there at all, CStanley. And I haven’t a clue whether there was a reluctance to address specific aspects of Wright’s ministry, or if it was a larger campaign strategy.

I suspect it could be the latter, though, as easily as the former.

]]> by: C Stanley http://www.polimom.com/2008/03/15/churches-communities-flocks-and-sheep/#comment-118430 Sat, 15 Mar 2008 19:15:51 +0000 http://www.polimom.com/2008/03/15/churches-communities-flocks-and-sheep/#comment-118430 <blockquote>Tone deaf? Are you saying, then, that his response(s) yesterday weren’t loud enough? Or that they were off-key?</blockquote> At the risk of mixing my musical metaphors, in his response yesterday he was coming in quite a few beats too late. IOW, I think he's saying the right thing now- but if he hadn't been 'tone deaf' he would have anticipated that he needed to be more explicit about his points of disagreement with black liberation theology a long time ago. He seeemed to have felt that he could get by with the more general "I don't agree with some of what Rev. Wright says".

Tone deaf? Are you saying, then, that his response(s) yesterday weren’t loud enough? Or that they were off-key?

At the risk of mixing my musical metaphors, in his response yesterday he was coming in quite a few beats too late. IOW, I think he’s saying the right thing now- but if he hadn’t been ‘tone deaf’ he would have anticipated that he needed to be more explicit about his points of disagreement with black liberation theology a long time ago. He seeemed to have felt that he could get by with the more general “I don’t agree with some of what Rev. Wright says”.

]]> by: Ed T. http://www.polimom.com/2008/03/15/churches-communities-flocks-and-sheep/#comment-118405 Sat, 15 Mar 2008 14:55:08 +0000 http://www.polimom.com/2008/03/15/churches-communities-flocks-and-sheep/#comment-118405 Maybe it is more on the lines of the response of the "Muslim leaders" <em>vis-a-vis</em> condemning terrorism. No matter how many times they speak out, no matter how strident their voices are, it will <em>never be enough </em>for some. Certainly Sen. Obama has addressed the issue to <strong>my</strong> satisfaction. (BTW, the ministers of the "large" churches (from 3,000 - > 7,000 members) I have been a member of agree with you totally, as far as the "community thing" goes. Which is why there is an increasing emphasis on "small groups" within the larger congregation.) ~EdT. Maybe it is more on the lines of the response of the “Muslim leaders” vis-a-vis condemning terrorism. No matter how many times they speak out, no matter how strident their voices are, it will never be enough for some.

Certainly Sen. Obama has addressed the issue to my satisfaction.

(BTW, the ministers of the “large” churches (from 3,000 - > 7,000 members) I have been a member of agree with you totally, as far as the “community thing” goes. Which is why there is an increasing emphasis on “small groups” within the larger congregation.)

~EdT.

]]> by: Polimom http://www.polimom.com/2008/03/15/churches-communities-flocks-and-sheep/#comment-118395 Sat, 15 Mar 2008 13:40:02 +0000 http://www.polimom.com/2008/03/15/churches-communities-flocks-and-sheep/#comment-118395 Hi CStanley -- Tone deaf? Are you saying, then, that his response(s) yesterday weren't loud enough? Or that they were off-key? Hi CStanley —

Tone deaf? Are you saying, then, that his response(s) yesterday weren’t loud enough? Or that they were off-key?

]]> by: C Stanley http://www.polimom.com/2008/03/15/churches-communities-flocks-and-sheep/#comment-118392 Sat, 15 Mar 2008 13:36:07 +0000 http://www.polimom.com/2008/03/15/churches-communities-flocks-and-sheep/#comment-118392 I don't think that's hard to understand at all, and as an individual I'd completely agree that Obama could easily attend a church with his family even if he strongly disagreed with the politics being expressed there. As a presidential candidate though, particularly one who runs on a postracial, uniting platform, his tone deafness to how this type of political sermonizing affects people is a complete deal breaker, IMO. I don’t think that’s hard to understand at all, and as an individual I’d completely agree that Obama could easily attend a church with his family even if he strongly disagreed with the politics being expressed there. As a presidential candidate though, particularly one who runs on a postracial, uniting platform, his tone deafness to how this type of political sermonizing affects people is a complete deal breaker, IMO.

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