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	<title>Comments on: In search of the elusive common ground</title>
	<link>http://www.polimom.com/2007/03/08/in-search-of-the-elusive-common-ground/</link>
	<description>I used to be in the middle, but they keep moving the line!</description>
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		<title>by: Ed T.</title>
		<link>http://www.polimom.com/2007/03/08/in-search-of-the-elusive-common-ground/#comment-59705</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Mar 2007 11:38:39 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;...they hadn’t envisioned a government that has become so completely involved in our lives.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Nor, I doubt, that they would have ever envisioned it as such.

~EdT.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>&#8230;they hadn’t envisioned a government that has become so completely involved in our lives.</p></blockquote>
<p>Nor, I doubt, that they would have ever envisioned it as such.</p>
<p>~EdT.
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		<title>by: The Elusive Common Ground &#124; The Moderate Voice</title>
		<link>http://www.polimom.com/2007/03/08/in-search-of-the-elusive-common-ground/#comment-59637</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Mar 2007 02:26:51 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>[...] (Cross-posted at Polimom Says&#8230;) [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] (Cross-posted at Polimom Says&#8230;) [&#8230;]
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		<title>by: Polimom</title>
		<link>http://www.polimom.com/2007/03/08/in-search-of-the-elusive-common-ground/#comment-59606</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Mar 2007 21:09:30 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Andy --

The debate about moderates and/or centrists -- and what one is, exactly -- comes up a lot at The Moderate Voice.  I wouldn't describe myself as a centrist, for instance, but I try very hard to understand the other point of view, which sometimes  tends to moderate my thinking and reactions.
&lt;blockquote&gt;In our oppositional political system, we get moderate results with divided or alternating governments, not by putting moderates in charge.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
I agree with that statement in an historical context, and it's worked well in times past.  I'd further agree that the recent one-party in control has been absolutely disastrous.

I don't think, though, that the current level of opposition is what the Founders had in mind -- or if they did, then it's because they hadn't envisioned a government that has become so completely involved in our lives.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Andy &#8211;</p>
<p>The debate about moderates and/or centrists &#8212; and what one is, exactly &#8212; comes up a lot at The Moderate Voice.  I wouldn&#8217;t describe myself as a centrist, for instance, but I try very hard to understand the other point of view, which sometimes  tends to moderate my thinking and reactions.</p>
<blockquote><p>In our oppositional political system, we get moderate results with divided or alternating governments, not by putting moderates in charge.</p></blockquote>
<p>I agree with that statement in an historical context, and it&#8217;s worked well in times past.  I&#8217;d further agree that the recent one-party in control has been absolutely disastrous.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think, though, that the current level of opposition is what the Founders had in mind &#8212; or if they did, then it&#8217;s because they hadn&#8217;t envisioned a government that has become so completely involved in our lives.
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		<title>by: Jack</title>
		<link>http://www.polimom.com/2007/03/08/in-search-of-the-elusive-common-ground/#comment-59605</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Mar 2007 21:05:38 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>That would be a great line wouldn't it, if Tom Delay commented that even &lt;em&gt;he&lt;/em&gt; wouldn't have gone that far.

It appears to me that one part of the reason for the new climate, is that not only is the senate divided very close by party this session, but it has been for several elections now. Most of the 90's through 08 will be marked by the majority party having barely enough people to just pass something and move on. If there were greater numbers in the majority, it would be much harder for the minority party to have any sway. And when the next election keeps looking like it could go either way, then that keeps everyone distracted more than if it was going to obviously be this or that.

Another issue to complicate this divide, is that I think some of the things that need action are things that have just been pushed off for many sessions and now its clear that we can't just keep pushing them off. Social Security, immigration reform, Louisiana's coastline, and the deficit are not new issues to the people elected in 2006.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That would be a great line wouldn&#8217;t it, if Tom Delay commented that even <em>he</em> wouldn&#8217;t have gone that far.</p>
<p>It appears to me that one part of the reason for the new climate, is that not only is the senate divided very close by party this session, but it has been for several elections now. Most of the 90&#8217;s through 08 will be marked by the majority party having barely enough people to just pass something and move on. If there were greater numbers in the majority, it would be much harder for the minority party to have any sway. And when the next election keeps looking like it could go either way, then that keeps everyone distracted more than if it was going to obviously be this or that.</p>
<p>Another issue to complicate this divide, is that I think some of the things that need action are things that have just been pushed off for many sessions and now its clear that we can&#8217;t just keep pushing them off. Social Security, immigration reform, Louisiana&#8217;s coastline, and the deficit are not new issues to the people elected in 2006.
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		<title>by: Andy</title>
		<link>http://www.polimom.com/2007/03/08/in-search-of-the-elusive-common-ground/#comment-59604</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Mar 2007 21:00:39 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Broder's obsession with centrism is beyond ridiculous.  The notion that moderates are the solution to political problems caused by a government run almost entirely by one party is a farce.  Broder can't separate the idea of moderate results with moderates themselves.  In our oppositional political system, we get moderate results with divided or alternating governments, not by putting moderates in charge.  The majority of swing voters figured this out last November, returning Congress to Democratic control.

Furthermore, most of Broder's so-called moderates, like Lieberman, are actually quite radical on various issues.  Being a warmonger and also pro-union does not make him a moderate.

Broder and his fake centrism are the problems in Washington.  Active political disagreement and opposition is the solution.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Broder&#8217;s obsession with centrism is beyond ridiculous.  The notion that moderates are the solution to political problems caused by a government run almost entirely by one party is a farce.  Broder can&#8217;t separate the idea of moderate results with moderates themselves.  In our oppositional political system, we get moderate results with divided or alternating governments, not by putting moderates in charge.  The majority of swing voters figured this out last November, returning Congress to Democratic control.</p>
<p>Furthermore, most of Broder&#8217;s so-called moderates, like Lieberman, are actually quite radical on various issues.  Being a warmonger and also pro-union does not make him a moderate.</p>
<p>Broder and his fake centrism are the problems in Washington.  Active political disagreement and opposition is the solution.
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		<title>by: Polimom</title>
		<link>http://www.polimom.com/2007/03/08/in-search-of-the-elusive-common-ground/#comment-59602</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Mar 2007 20:19:23 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>&lt;em&gt;I find it ironic that Tom Daschle would be one the “spokesman” for this group, almost as much as if I heard that Tom Delay was on a “bipartisan” anything.&lt;/em&gt;

Yes, I was surprised by that too.  OTOH, it indicates how far out of control things have really become.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>I find it ironic that Tom Daschle would be one the “spokesman” for this group, almost as much as if I heard that Tom Delay was on a “bipartisan” anything.</em></p>
<p>Yes, I was surprised by that too.  OTOH, it indicates how far out of control things have really become.
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		<title>by: Ed T.</title>
		<link>http://www.polimom.com/2007/03/08/in-search-of-the-elusive-common-ground/#comment-59601</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Mar 2007 20:16:01 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Interesting... I find it ironic that Tom Daschle would be one the "spokesman" for this group, almost as much as if I heard that Tom Delay was on a "bipartisan" anything.

Even with that, though, I suspect there are too many scores to settle inside the Beltway for this type of thing to take hold just yet.  Although, it is probably the only way we are going to actually &lt;em&gt;get&lt;/em&gt; anything done...

~EdT.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting&#8230; I find it ironic that Tom Daschle would be one the &#8220;spokesman&#8221; for this group, almost as much as if I heard that Tom Delay was on a &#8220;bipartisan&#8221; anything.</p>
<p>Even with that, though, I suspect there are too many scores to settle inside the Beltway for this type of thing to take hold just yet.  Although, it is probably the only way we are going to actually <em>get</em> anything done&#8230;</p>
<p>~EdT.
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