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	<link>http://www.polimom.com/2007/02/27/somebody-get-that-man-a-horse/</link>
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		<title>by: Doug Ross @ Journal</title>
		<link>http://www.polimom.com/2007/02/27/somebody-get-that-man-a-horse/#comment-58410</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Mar 2007 11:26:01 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>&lt;strong&gt;Print out your own Carbon Credits!...&lt;/strong&gt;

Carbon Credits aren't just for Al Gore and the filthy rich any longer. Even the rabble -- yes, you and me -- can have access to these incredible investment vehicles......</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Print out your own Carbon Credits!&#8230;</strong></p>
<p>Carbon Credits aren&#8217;t just for Al Gore and the filthy rich any longer. Even the rabble &#8212; yes, you and me &#8212; can have access to these incredible investment vehicles&#8230;&#8230;
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		<title>by: roux</title>
		<link>http://www.polimom.com/2007/02/27/somebody-get-that-man-a-horse/#comment-58321</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Mar 2007 14:57:27 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.polimom.com/2007/02/27/somebody-get-that-man-a-horse/#comment-58321</guid>
					<description>I think the whole point is that ALGORE is a hypocrite. Nothing more, nothing less.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the whole point is that ALGORE is a hypocrite. Nothing more, nothing less.
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		<title>by: Polimom</title>
		<link>http://www.polimom.com/2007/02/27/somebody-get-that-man-a-horse/#comment-58216</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Feb 2007 20:56:16 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.polimom.com/2007/02/27/somebody-get-that-man-a-horse/#comment-58216</guid>
					<description>All:

Here's a related story:  &lt;a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-jets28feb28,0,2448915.story" rel="nofollow"&gt;http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-jets28feb28,0,2448915.story&lt;/a&gt;

So -- where are we going with this? Is the public going to say, "Nah, I don't have to change anything, 'cuz the leaders aren't walking the walk"? And if we want them to walk the walk, then are we going to lower our own expectation of how they do their jobs (via flying around on non-commercial flights... which brings up security...)?

I don't think everybody's laboring under the jealousy problem, btw. I think it's also an easy out for people who don't see any reason to conserve, or make changes in their own consumption patterns. Those folks probably wouldn't do so anyway, but this gives a great excuse.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All:</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s a related story:  <a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-jets28feb28,0,2448915.story" rel="nofollow">http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-jets28feb28,0,2448915.story</a></p>
<p>So &#8212; where are we going with this? Is the public going to say, &#8220;Nah, I don&#8217;t have to change anything, &#8216;cuz the leaders aren&#8217;t walking the walk&#8221;? And if we want them to walk the walk, then are we going to lower our own expectation of how they do their jobs (via flying around on non-commercial flights&#8230; which brings up security&#8230;)?</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think everybody&#8217;s laboring under the jealousy problem, btw. I think it&#8217;s also an easy out for people who don&#8217;t see any reason to conserve, or make changes in their own consumption patterns. Those folks probably wouldn&#8217;t do so anyway, but this gives a great excuse.
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		<title>by: Polimom</title>
		<link>http://www.polimom.com/2007/02/27/somebody-get-that-man-a-horse/#comment-58213</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Feb 2007 20:40:38 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.polimom.com/2007/02/27/somebody-get-that-man-a-horse/#comment-58213</guid>
					<description>Matt --

i hear what you're saying -- I really do.  On the other hand, I've tried and tried to picture who (other than an ascetic) would be able to claim the moral high ground on any issue like this one... and I keep drawing a blank.

Had this not come in immediately behind the John Edwards Has a Really Big House story, I might not be snorting through my nose at everybody like this... but when taken together, it's hard to miss the overall tone of the criticism.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Matt &#8211;</p>
<p>i hear what you&#8217;re saying &#8212; I really do.  On the other hand, I&#8217;ve tried and tried to picture who (other than an ascetic) would be able to claim the moral high ground on any issue like this one&#8230; and I keep drawing a blank.</p>
<p>Had this not come in immediately behind the John Edwards Has a Really Big House story, I might not be snorting through my nose at everybody like this&#8230; but when taken together, it&#8217;s hard to miss the overall tone of the criticism.
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		<title>by: Matt Bramanti</title>
		<link>http://www.polimom.com/2007/02/27/somebody-get-that-man-a-horse/#comment-58195</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Feb 2007 17:20:15 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.polimom.com/2007/02/27/somebody-get-that-man-a-horse/#comment-58195</guid>
					<description>&lt;i&gt;Found via Glen Reynolds, who’s apparently trying to convince himself that he’d be okay with Al’s consumption and money, if only he weren’t so dratted moralistic.   Unh hunh.&lt;/i&gt;

Why don't you buy that? The problem here isn't the consumption, it's the hypocrisy. This is why Drudge isn't running the power bills of the White House, or ExxonMobil executives. We expect rich folks to use lots of juice, and that's just how it goes.

But when some of those same rich folks tell me to change my light bulbs, that's where it gets problematic. I don't happen to think using a lot of electricity is wrong, as long as you pay for it. But attacking others for doing it, while doing it yourself, is wrong.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Found via Glen Reynolds, who’s apparently trying to convince himself that he’d be okay with Al’s consumption and money, if only he weren’t so dratted moralistic.   Unh hunh.</i></p>
<p>Why don&#8217;t you buy that? The problem here isn&#8217;t the consumption, it&#8217;s the hypocrisy. This is why Drudge isn&#8217;t running the power bills of the White House, or ExxonMobil executives. We expect rich folks to use lots of juice, and that&#8217;s just how it goes.</p>
<p>But when some of those same rich folks tell me to change my light bulbs, that&#8217;s where it gets problematic. I don&#8217;t happen to think using a lot of electricity is wrong, as long as you pay for it. But attacking others for doing it, while doing it yourself, is wrong.
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		<title>by: Gary Denton</title>
		<link>http://www.polimom.com/2007/02/27/somebody-get-that-man-a-horse/#comment-58187</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Feb 2007 15:53:02 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.polimom.com/2007/02/27/somebody-get-that-man-a-horse/#comment-58187</guid>
					<description>All the right web and radio can talk about recently is Al Gore and John Edwards.

"OMG, they are rich!"

I thought they wanted people to get rich. 

That's not quite true.  They al;so mounted a "slime" campaign to pull selections from comments on blogs to show how nasty and unhinged liberals are.  Generally if liberals talk about the unhinged right we don't have to pull from comments before they get deleted - we document the big name poster.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All the right web and radio can talk about recently is Al Gore and John Edwards.</p>
<p>&#8220;OMG, they are rich!&#8221;</p>
<p>I thought they wanted people to get rich. </p>
<p>That&#8217;s not quite true.  They al;so mounted a &#8220;slime&#8221; campaign to pull selections from comments on blogs to show how nasty and unhinged liberals are.  Generally if liberals talk about the unhinged right we don&#8217;t have to pull from comments before they get deleted - we document the big name poster.
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		<title>by: John</title>
		<link>http://www.polimom.com/2007/02/27/somebody-get-that-man-a-horse/#comment-58184</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Feb 2007 14:46:27 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.polimom.com/2007/02/27/somebody-get-that-man-a-horse/#comment-58184</guid>
					<description>The "big upheavals" have been overstated by the real fear-mongerers in this discussion - those who insist that we can't afford to do anything (possibly leading to the kind of "upheaval" in the future that rearranges the political map of the globe, but hey, that's years off...)

Here's my bet: as big a polluter as China is now, they're going to invest heavily in alternative energy and wind up winning big. 

No matter what you think of those upheavals, the characterization of what Gore asks of others that has been circulating with this story is simply untrue.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The &#8220;big upheavals&#8221; have been overstated by the real fear-mongerers in this discussion - those who insist that we can&#8217;t afford to do anything (possibly leading to the kind of &#8220;upheaval&#8221; in the future that rearranges the political map of the globe, but hey, that&#8217;s years off&#8230;)</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s my bet: as big a polluter as China is now, they&#8217;re going to invest heavily in alternative energy and wind up winning big. </p>
<p>No matter what you think of those upheavals, the characterization of what Gore asks of others that has been circulating with this story is simply untrue.
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		<title>by: Tony B</title>
		<link>http://www.polimom.com/2007/02/27/somebody-get-that-man-a-horse/#comment-58078</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Feb 2007 20:27:56 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.polimom.com/2007/02/27/somebody-get-that-man-a-horse/#comment-58078</guid>
					<description>I saw this run on Fox News (in the middle of their Anna Nicole live news) today at lunch.

The "x times more than average household" blurb made me laugh.  Someone should look at the whole of Congress and their homes' energy consumption.  Odds are they'd find similar results.  None of them are anywhere near the average household.  But that wouldn't help kill the messenger.

And Glide, 6-7 years ago (pre-dereg) an Econ professor at UH pointed out the fallacy of energy deregulation in such simple terms that when it did happen I was a little surprised.  If a bunch of UH students could get this concept, why couldn't a group of folks in Austin?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I saw this run on Fox News (in the middle of their Anna Nicole live news) today at lunch.</p>
<p>The &#8220;x times more than average household&#8221; blurb made me laugh.  Someone should look at the whole of Congress and their homes&#8217; energy consumption.  Odds are they&#8217;d find similar results.  None of them are anywhere near the average household.  But that wouldn&#8217;t help kill the messenger.</p>
<p>And Glide, 6-7 years ago (pre-dereg) an Econ professor at UH pointed out the fallacy of energy deregulation in such simple terms that when it did happen I was a little surprised.  If a bunch of UH students could get this concept, why couldn&#8217;t a group of folks in Austin?
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		<title>by: Ed T.</title>
		<link>http://www.polimom.com/2007/02/27/somebody-get-that-man-a-horse/#comment-58072</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Feb 2007 18:16:37 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.polimom.com/2007/02/27/somebody-get-that-man-a-horse/#comment-58072</guid>
					<description>"&lt;em&gt;Except that Al Gore isn’t telling everybody that have to make massive personal sacrifices, he’s saying we need to make structural changes in how we get energy in order to support our needs, which is a very different thing.&lt;/em&gt;"

Except that those structural changes are likely gonna create &lt;em&gt;massive&lt;/em&gt; economic upheaval, which is probably why Algore's former boss wisely decided against submitting the Kyoto treaty to the Senate.  And, the practical result of such an upheaval would be massive sacrifices for many of us (that is, if you call such things as starving to death "sacrifices".)

And, as far as Algore's energy consumption vis-a-vis yours and mine goes:  for cryin' out loud, if the guy is burning through almost a quarter &lt;strong&gt;MILLION&lt;/strong&gt; KWH per year off the power grid, that means someone has to do something to generate all that power - and, in most cases these days, that means they burn coal and/or gas.  Buying "credits" to offset this is great, so long as the total number of such "credits" is finite - otherwise, it is simply an exercise in "feel-good".

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;<em>Except that Al Gore isn’t telling everybody that have to make massive personal sacrifices, he’s saying we need to make structural changes in how we get energy in order to support our needs, which is a very different thing.</em>&#8221;</p>
<p>Except that those structural changes are likely gonna create <em>massive</em> economic upheaval, which is probably why Algore&#8217;s former boss wisely decided against submitting the Kyoto treaty to the Senate.  And, the practical result of such an upheaval would be massive sacrifices for many of us (that is, if you call such things as starving to death &#8220;sacrifices&#8221;.)</p>
<p>And, as far as Algore&#8217;s energy consumption vis-a-vis yours and mine goes:  for cryin&#8217; out loud, if the guy is burning through almost a quarter <strong>MILLION</strong> KWH per year off the power grid, that means someone has to do something to generate all that power - and, in most cases these days, that means they burn coal and/or gas.  Buying &#8220;credits&#8221; to offset this is great, so long as the total number of such &#8220;credits&#8221; is finite - otherwise, it is simply an exercise in &#8220;feel-good&#8221;.</p>
<p>~EdT.
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		<title>by: Glide</title>
		<link>http://www.polimom.com/2007/02/27/somebody-get-that-man-a-horse/#comment-58069</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Feb 2007 17:59:58 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>"Of course, common people can’t live this way, either… and therein really lies the problem".  Yea, well, we "commoners" may be getting closer than we think to having to live an entirely different life.  See today's Comical story about the TXU buyout and the fact that it won't result in any savings for consumers.  Note as well that on NPR this a.m. they featured a story to the effect that in those states where utilities have been deregulated, prices have risen significantly.  It's only going to get worse and all this against the backdrop of a home building boom of 3,000 square foot taky home in the far corners of the burbs.  Alan Greenspan isn't the only one seeing bust around the corner.  Home forclosures are at astronomical highs and ever higher electric bills coupled with our usual spke in gas prices this summer and raising interest rates will push more folks over the brink.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Of course, common people can’t live this way, either… and therein really lies the problem&#8221;.  Yea, well, we &#8220;commoners&#8221; may be getting closer than we think to having to live an entirely different life.  See today&#8217;s Comical story about the TXU buyout and the fact that it won&#8217;t result in any savings for consumers.  Note as well that on NPR this a.m. they featured a story to the effect that in those states where utilities have been deregulated, prices have risen significantly.  It&#8217;s only going to get worse and all this against the backdrop of a home building boom of 3,000 square foot taky home in the far corners of the burbs.  Alan Greenspan isn&#8217;t the only one seeing bust around the corner.  Home forclosures are at astronomical highs and ever higher electric bills coupled with our usual spke in gas prices this summer and raising interest rates will push more folks over the brink.
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