Comments on: Wanted: prostration and self-flagellation http://www.polimom.com/2007/02/12/wanted-prostration-and-self-flagellation/ I used to be in the middle, but they keep moving the line! Wed, 10 Mar 2010 22:37:43 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.0.5 by: Polimom http://www.polimom.com/2007/02/12/wanted-prostration-and-self-flagellation/#comment-56464 Tue, 13 Feb 2007 12:17:20 +0000 http://www.polimom.com/2007/02/12/wanted-prostration-and-self-flagellation/#comment-56464 Oops. Ed, I was using your comment as another way one might be thinking about the war, not trying to address your position personally. And the few who "think it's going fine" was yet another... Oops. Ed, I was using your comment as another way one might be thinking about the war, not trying to address your position personally. And the few who “think it’s going fine” was yet another…

]]> by: etee's Blog http://www.polimom.com/2007/02/12/wanted-prostration-and-self-flagellation/#comment-56457 Tue, 13 Feb 2007 11:58:39 +0000 http://www.polimom.com/2007/02/12/wanted-prostration-and-self-flagellation/#comment-56457 <strong>Wind shifts direction, and so does 66% of Congress...</strong> As a front blew through Washington, causing the direction of the wind to change, a whole slew of members of Congress scrambled to follow suit. Most prominent were those who have Presidential aspirations in '08, who could be easily identified by their... Wind shifts direction, and so does 66% of Congress…

As a front blew through Washington, causing the direction of the wind to change, a whole slew of members of Congress scrambled to follow suit. Most prominent were those who have Presidential aspirations in ‘08, who could be easily identified by their…

]]> by: Ed T. http://www.polimom.com/2007/02/12/wanted-prostration-and-self-flagellation/#comment-56455 Tue, 13 Feb 2007 11:26:05 +0000 http://www.polimom.com/2007/02/12/wanted-prostration-and-self-flagellation/#comment-56455 Polimom - plse re-read what I said. Nowhere did I mention that things were going just peachy - that is most definitely <em>not</em> the case. However, I supported the action at the beginning, and I <em>still</em> think it was the right thing to do. We just aren't going about doing it the right way - and that is something that can (and must) be fixed. In other words, I stand by what I believe, regardless of how popular said belief is. I would be far more supportive of someone like that (even someone who was opposed from the beginning) than I would be of those whose 'convictions' change with the direction of the prevailing political winds. ~EdT. Polimom - plse re-read what I said. Nowhere did I mention that things were going just peachy - that is most definitely not the case. However, I supported the action at the beginning, and I still think it was the right thing to do. We just aren’t going about doing it the right way - and that is something that can (and must) be fixed.

In other words, I stand by what I believe, regardless of how popular said belief is. I would be far more supportive of someone like that (even someone who was opposed from the beginning) than I would be of those whose ‘convictions’ change with the direction of the prevailing political winds.

~EdT.

]]> by: Polimom http://www.polimom.com/2007/02/12/wanted-prostration-and-self-flagellation/#comment-56425 Tue, 13 Feb 2007 03:07:07 +0000 http://www.polimom.com/2007/02/12/wanted-prostration-and-self-flagellation/#comment-56425 Easter -- the spin machines have barely started the first cycles! I'm shocked... <em>shocked</em>... that anyone would be so unsubtle so soon. Easter — the spin machines have barely started the first cycles! I’m shocked… shocked… that anyone would be so unsubtle so soon.

]]> by: roux http://www.polimom.com/2007/02/12/wanted-prostration-and-self-flagellation/#comment-56415 Tue, 13 Feb 2007 01:12:34 +0000 http://www.polimom.com/2007/02/12/wanted-prostration-and-self-flagellation/#comment-56415 I was for it then and still am convinced we can win. It will be tough and I think the resolve of us the American public is more important than ever. I was for it then and still am convinced we can win. It will be tough and I think the resolve of us the American public is more important than ever.

]]> by: Bob http://www.polimom.com/2007/02/12/wanted-prostration-and-self-flagellation/#comment-56412 Tue, 13 Feb 2007 01:04:37 +0000 http://www.polimom.com/2007/02/12/wanted-prostration-and-self-flagellation/#comment-56412 I was never for it. If Hilly had voted against it in the beginning, her chances of becoming Prez in the future, would have been nil. She has learned to waffle , much like Bill. Bush went to war by lying to the military and the American public. There are lies, and there are damned lies. Bush be damned and all the lemmings that followed him. I was never for it. If Hilly had voted against it in the beginning, her chances of becoming Prez in the future, would have been nil. She has learned to waffle , much
like Bill.
Bush went to war by lying to the military and the American public. There are lies, and
there are damned lies. Bush be damned and all the lemmings that followed him.

]]> by: Easter Lemming http://www.polimom.com/2007/02/12/wanted-prostration-and-self-flagellation/#comment-56404 Mon, 12 Feb 2007 23:21:41 +0000 http://www.polimom.com/2007/02/12/wanted-prostration-and-self-flagellation/#comment-56404 More people are pointing out the unequal treatment in this <em>NYT </em>article. <blockquote>In these instances and similar moments in New Hampshire, <strong>Mrs. Clinton stuck to a set of talking points</strong> that she and her advisers hope will ultimately overcome the antiwar anger that is particularly strong among Democrats likely to vote in primaries. She took full responsibility for the vote, said she would not vote for military action in Iraq again, and then pivoted quickly to frame Iraq as President Bush’s war. This answer was usually met with applause..... In Iowa on Sunday, on his first trip there as a presidential candidate, <strong>Mr. Obama reminded voters</strong> that he had been against the war from the start and said he had offered a plan for winding down American involvement. His strong statements against the war in Iraq drew applause at each of four stops, from Waterloo to Ames.</blockquote> The current media darling <em>reminds</em> voters and Clinton uses <em>talking points.</em> when in truth they are both putting their talking points out there. From the begining, I said that there were no WMDs, no portable bio-labs, no links to al-Qaeda, these administration statements are lies, these supporters are anti-Muslim jingoists, this occupation would be a bloody disaster - and provided links to educate people. Now the same scenario is playing out leading to an attack on Iran. More people are pointing out the unequal treatment in this NYT article.

In these instances and similar moments in New Hampshire, Mrs. Clinton stuck to a set of talking points that she and her advisers hope will ultimately overcome the antiwar anger that is particularly strong among Democrats likely to vote in primaries. She took full responsibility for the vote, said she would not vote for military action in Iraq again, and then pivoted quickly to frame Iraq as President Bush’s war. This answer was usually met with applause…..

In Iowa on Sunday, on his first trip there as a presidential candidate, Mr. Obama reminded voters that he had been against the war from the start and said he had offered a plan for winding down American involvement. His strong statements against the war in Iraq drew applause at each of four stops, from Waterloo to Ames.

The current media darling reminds voters and Clinton uses talking points. when in truth they are both putting their talking points out there.

From the begining, I said that there were no WMDs, no portable bio-labs, no links to al-Qaeda, these administration statements are lies, these supporters are anti-Muslim jingoists, this occupation would be a bloody disaster - and provided links to educate people.

Now the same scenario is playing out leading to an attack on Iran.

]]> by: Alan G http://www.polimom.com/2007/02/12/wanted-prostration-and-self-flagellation/#comment-56392 Mon, 12 Feb 2007 21:00:46 +0000 http://www.polimom.com/2007/02/12/wanted-prostration-and-self-flagellation/#comment-56392 I think that it's the very strong antiwar sentiment of the Democratic base/activists that's the source of this demand for an apology. And given the conflict between the demands of the base and the more diverse beliefs of the public, I don't think we will see any honesty on Iraq any time soon. FYI: I've been against the Iraq War for the last 4 years. I'm also supporting Hillary and not expecting an apology I think that it’s the very strong antiwar sentiment of the Democratic base/activists that’s the source of this demand for an apology. And given the conflict between the demands of the base and the more diverse beliefs of the public, I don’t think we will see any honesty on Iraq any time soon.

FYI: I’ve been against the Iraq War for the last 4 years. I’m also supporting Hillary and not expecting an apology

]]> by: marc http://www.polimom.com/2007/02/12/wanted-prostration-and-self-flagellation/#comment-56386 Mon, 12 Feb 2007 19:49:47 +0000 http://www.polimom.com/2007/02/12/wanted-prostration-and-self-flagellation/#comment-56386 Seems to me that we should stop asking pols to tell us what we want to hear and ask them to tell us what they believe. If Hillary believes that she made the correct vote based on the information at hand, so be it, end of story. Seems to me that we should stop asking pols to tell us what we want to hear and ask them to tell us what they believe.

If Hillary believes that she made the correct vote based on the information at hand, so be it, end of story.

]]> by: Polimom http://www.polimom.com/2007/02/12/wanted-prostration-and-self-flagellation/#comment-56381 Mon, 12 Feb 2007 19:22:45 +0000 http://www.polimom.com/2007/02/12/wanted-prostration-and-self-flagellation/#comment-56381 Yup -- people are certainly saying that.  There's even an ever-smaller minority that thinks we're doing just fine and dandy over there -- but those folks haven't a hope of clearing this hurdle with the left (or with me, frankly). I'm not sure any amount of groveling would do it, actually. Yup — people are certainly saying that.  There’s even an ever-smaller minority that thinks we’re doing just fine and dandy over there — but those folks haven’t a hope of clearing this hurdle with the left (or with me, frankly).

I’m not sure any amount of groveling would do it, actually.

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