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	<link>http://www.polimom.com/2007/01/31/is-there-any-point-in-apologizing-for-slavery/</link>
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		<title>by: Polimom Says &#187; Six apologies&#8230; and counting</title>
		<link>http://www.polimom.com/2007/01/31/is-there-any-point-in-apologizing-for-slavery/#comment-119379</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Mar 2008 13:41:34 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>[...] The State of Florida has become the sixth to apologize for slavery &#8212; an issue about which I&#8217;m long-since on record: Five other U.S. states have apologized for slavery since last year, including Alabama, Maryland, New Jersey, North Carolina and Virginia. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] The State of Florida has become the sixth to apologize for slavery &#8212; an issue about which I&#8217;m long-since on record: Five other U.S. states have apologized for slavery since last year, including Alabama, Maryland, New Jersey, North Carolina and Virginia. [&#8230;]
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		<title>by: Polimom Says &#187; An unarticulated meaning</title>
		<link>http://www.polimom.com/2007/01/31/is-there-any-point-in-apologizing-for-slavery/#comment-55422</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Feb 2007 19:28:36 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.polimom.com/2007/01/31/is-there-any-point-in-apologizing-for-slavery/#comment-55422</guid>
					<description>[...] When I wrote earlier this week about apologies for slavery, I mentioned a cousin with whom I made a research trip some years ago. What I didn&#8217;t tell you is that I learned rather more on that excursion than how my family lost their land, or for which unit they served in the Civil War. I also learned something about my own soft bigotry, assumptions, and expectations&#8230; and I learned it the hard way, by embarrassing myself and making my cousin uncomfortable. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] When I wrote earlier this week about apologies for slavery, I mentioned a cousin with whom I made a research trip some years ago. What I didn&#8217;t tell you is that I learned rather more on that excursion than how my family lost their land, or for which unit they served in the Civil War. I also learned something about my own soft bigotry, assumptions, and expectations&#8230; and I learned it the hard way, by embarrassing myself and making my cousin uncomfortable. [&#8230;]
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		<title>by: Ed T.</title>
		<link>http://www.polimom.com/2007/01/31/is-there-any-point-in-apologizing-for-slavery/#comment-55402</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Feb 2007 15:56:20 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.polimom.com/2007/01/31/is-there-any-point-in-apologizing-for-slavery/#comment-55402</guid>
					<description>Just a thought:  instead of issuing apologies for things that happened centuries ago, maybe someone could take a look into the &lt;a href="http://www.antislavery.org/homepage/antislavery/modern.htm" rel="nofollow"&gt;continuing slave trade&lt;/a&gt;.

~EdT.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just a thought:  instead of issuing apologies for things that happened centuries ago, maybe someone could take a look into the <a href="http://www.antislavery.org/homepage/antislavery/modern.htm" rel="nofollow">continuing slave trade</a>.</p>
<p>~EdT.
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		<title>by: Ash</title>
		<link>http://www.polimom.com/2007/01/31/is-there-any-point-in-apologizing-for-slavery/#comment-55332</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Feb 2007 18:35:35 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.polimom.com/2007/01/31/is-there-any-point-in-apologizing-for-slavery/#comment-55332</guid>
					<description>The United States governent should never apologize for two reasons:  reparations will most surely follow, and we cannot go down that road.  Second, the representatives/senators that condoned the act of slavery by not passing laws against it, are long gone.  Those currently in office represent the current general population.  You cannot have representation apologize for something their constiguents had nothing to do with.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The United States governent should never apologize for two reasons:  reparations will most surely follow, and we cannot go down that road.  Second, the representatives/senators that condoned the act of slavery by not passing laws against it, are long gone.  Those currently in office represent the current general population.  You cannot have representation apologize for something their constiguents had nothing to do with.
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		<title>by: Jack</title>
		<link>http://www.polimom.com/2007/01/31/is-there-any-point-in-apologizing-for-slavery/#comment-55322</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Feb 2007 17:12:20 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.polimom.com/2007/01/31/is-there-any-point-in-apologizing-for-slavery/#comment-55322</guid>
					<description>The clearest thought that I've been able to settle on in response to this news is that I see it as a waste of time. There are countless problems and issues that a state legislature can actually make a difference on and numerous budgets to be improved. This "apology" does nothing to work on any of those. If they do pass this, then I'd want an apology to me as a taxpayer for why they thought time spent on this helped earn their pay. 

My attitude on this sort of ties in to these non-binding resolutions that the US Senate feels the need to work on. They spend weeks debating and arguing over the wording of something that will carry no weight on the issue. Its a waste of everyone's time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The clearest thought that I&#8217;ve been able to settle on in response to this news is that I see it as a waste of time. There are countless problems and issues that a state legislature can actually make a difference on and numerous budgets to be improved. This &#8220;apology&#8221; does nothing to work on any of those. If they do pass this, then I&#8217;d want an apology to me as a taxpayer for why they thought time spent on this helped earn their pay. </p>
<p>My attitude on this sort of ties in to these non-binding resolutions that the US Senate feels the need to work on. They spend weeks debating and arguing over the wording of something that will carry no weight on the issue. Its a waste of everyone&#8217;s time.
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		<title>by: Polimom</title>
		<link>http://www.polimom.com/2007/01/31/is-there-any-point-in-apologizing-for-slavery/#comment-55309</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Feb 2007 14:16:26 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.polimom.com/2007/01/31/is-there-any-point-in-apologizing-for-slavery/#comment-55309</guid>
					<description>Also -- although this particular commentary isn't linked (and thus not tracked back), another reader has also posted a thoughtful response.

&lt;a href="http://www.blackshards.com/wordpress/?p=40" rel="nofollow"&gt;Link here&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Also &#8212; although this particular commentary isn&#8217;t linked (and thus not tracked back), another reader has also posted a thoughtful response.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.blackshards.com/wordpress/?p=40" rel="nofollow">Link here</a>.
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		<title>by: Polimom</title>
		<link>http://www.polimom.com/2007/01/31/is-there-any-point-in-apologizing-for-slavery/#comment-55307</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Feb 2007 14:13:33 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.polimom.com/2007/01/31/is-there-any-point-in-apologizing-for-slavery/#comment-55307</guid>
					<description>Hi Glide --

Thanks for your thoughtful response.  It took me nearly &lt;em&gt;all &lt;/em&gt;day to write it, and my conclusion wasn't formed when I started. 

One of the things in my mind as I wrote it was the very concern you bring up:  reparations -- an aspect of the debates that I, too, am against. That is, in fact, partly why I laid my own history as the foundation.  It's a great example of the impossibilities of compensation.

The web is too tangled, and too many years have passed -- which also brings the LOOOOOOONNGGG-expired statute of limitations into things.  Reparations are not possible, even if they were achievable or at this late date desirable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Glide &#8211;</p>
<p>Thanks for your thoughtful response.  It took me nearly <em>all </em>day to write it, and my conclusion wasn&#8217;t formed when I started. </p>
<p>One of the things in my mind as I wrote it was the very concern you bring up:  reparations &#8212; an aspect of the debates that I, too, am against. That is, in fact, partly why I laid my own history as the foundation.  It&#8217;s a great example of the impossibilities of compensation.</p>
<p>The web is too tangled, and too many years have passed &#8212; which also brings the LOOOOOOONNGGG-expired statute of limitations into things.  Reparations are not possible, even if they were achievable or at this late date desirable.
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		<title>by: Glide</title>
		<link>http://www.polimom.com/2007/01/31/is-there-any-point-in-apologizing-for-slavery/#comment-55300</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Feb 2007 13:54:40 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.polimom.com/2007/01/31/is-there-any-point-in-apologizing-for-slavery/#comment-55300</guid>
					<description>Fascinating post this one.  I could comment for hours but won't.  Simply put, I have to wonder as to the reason behind the supposed "Yes" to the question, “Cousin, would an apology for slavery help heal the pain in your heart?”  Why would an apology serve to heal the pain?  I guess I'm suspicious of the answer to the question because I am suspicious of the intellectual honesty of the call for an apology by one group from another group who has had no control over prior events.  Are the Saxons owed an apology from Norwegians for the wrongs of the Vikings?  A great many of us European-Americans were simply "born" here.  We had no control over our destination point upon birth.  I can't help but believe that when pressed to engage in an honest evaluation of the situation that those calling for an apology or reparations would have to acknowledge this rather obvious fact of life.  Now of course comes the counter point to the effect that European Americans inordinately benefited in terms of economic well being from slavery and the apartheid that followed.  Perhaps that is the case with the Rockefellers, et al, but for the most part, my families economic fortunes were more determined by the Great Depression.  Wealth and priviledge have had to be earned by each succeeding generation and very little of any property or wealth has been inherited, passed from one generation to another and passed down.

This suspicion having been raised leads one to ask, what other motivations might well be fueling the call for an apology?  Pragmatically speaking we've noted that the call comes from Black Politicos and not the masses of their Black constituents, though many of the more vocal constituents seem  to echo their assent to the call once made.  Thus we see that it plays well to the constituents and seems to be a good ploy on the part of the Black politicians.  Would an apology necessarily hurt the European-American community or would it simply serve to defuse the issue?

The intellectual dishonesty noted by so many European-Americans gives rise I believe to a well founded fear that once the apology is made, it serves to justify making the "connection" of culpability which, prior to the apology, is near impossible to make.  Once justified, the connection could then serve to justify a host of measures designed to equalize the situation, including but not limited to rapacious taxation and property takings aimed specifically at the European-American middle and upper middle income groups with an eye toward compensating descendant's of slaves.  This result if it were to occur would serve to push a great many European-Americans over the tipping point.  And it's that "point" which I don't think most Black Americans or their politicians fathom, i.e., that the hostility to such moves would be leveled at Blacks, but rather at the government seen taking such moves.  And in that, lies great peril to every American.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fascinating post this one.  I could comment for hours but won&#8217;t.  Simply put, I have to wonder as to the reason behind the supposed &#8220;Yes&#8221; to the question, “Cousin, would an apology for slavery help heal the pain in your heart?”  Why would an apology serve to heal the pain?  I guess I&#8217;m suspicious of the answer to the question because I am suspicious of the intellectual honesty of the call for an apology by one group from another group who has had no control over prior events.  Are the Saxons owed an apology from Norwegians for the wrongs of the Vikings?  A great many of us European-Americans were simply &#8220;born&#8221; here.  We had no control over our destination point upon birth.  I can&#8217;t help but believe that when pressed to engage in an honest evaluation of the situation that those calling for an apology or reparations would have to acknowledge this rather obvious fact of life.  Now of course comes the counter point to the effect that European Americans inordinately benefited in terms of economic well being from slavery and the apartheid that followed.  Perhaps that is the case with the Rockefellers, et al, but for the most part, my families economic fortunes were more determined by the Great Depression.  Wealth and priviledge have had to be earned by each succeeding generation and very little of any property or wealth has been inherited, passed from one generation to another and passed down.</p>
<p>This suspicion having been raised leads one to ask, what other motivations might well be fueling the call for an apology?  Pragmatically speaking we&#8217;ve noted that the call comes from Black Politicos and not the masses of their Black constituents, though many of the more vocal constituents seem  to echo their assent to the call once made.  Thus we see that it plays well to the constituents and seems to be a good ploy on the part of the Black politicians.  Would an apology necessarily hurt the European-American community or would it simply serve to defuse the issue?</p>
<p>The intellectual dishonesty noted by so many European-Americans gives rise I believe to a well founded fear that once the apology is made, it serves to justify making the &#8220;connection&#8221; of culpability which, prior to the apology, is near impossible to make.  Once justified, the connection could then serve to justify a host of measures designed to equalize the situation, including but not limited to rapacious taxation and property takings aimed specifically at the European-American middle and upper middle income groups with an eye toward compensating descendant&#8217;s of slaves.  This result if it were to occur would serve to push a great many European-Americans over the tipping point.  And it&#8217;s that &#8220;point&#8221; which I don&#8217;t think most Black Americans or their politicians fathom, i.e., that the hostility to such moves would be leveled at Blacks, but rather at the government seen taking such moves.  And in that, lies great peril to every American.
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		<title>by: Cadillac Tight - &#187; No. H-E-Double-Hockey-Sticks NO.</title>
		<link>http://www.polimom.com/2007/01/31/is-there-any-point-in-apologizing-for-slavery/#comment-55255</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Feb 2007 03:29:19 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>[...] No. H-E-Double-Hockey-Sticks NO.   By Average Tobacco Chewing Joe Polimom thinks I should apologize for slavery. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] No. H-E-Double-Hockey-Sticks NO.   By Average Tobacco Chewing Joe Polimom thinks I should apologize for slavery. [&#8230;]
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		<title>by: The Moderate Voice &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Apologies for slavery?</title>
		<link>http://www.polimom.com/2007/01/31/is-there-any-point-in-apologizing-for-slavery/#comment-55235</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Jan 2007 23:03:17 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.polimom.com/2007/01/31/is-there-any-point-in-apologizing-for-slavery/#comment-55235</guid>
					<description>[...] I put out my own thoughts about it here.    Posted on January 31, 2007 &#124; Permalink &#124; Categories Politics, Race &#124; &#124;  View blog reactions [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] I put out my own thoughts about it here.    Posted on January 31, 2007 | Permalink | Categories Politics, Race | |  View blog reactions [&#8230;]
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